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Oct 15, 2023·edited Oct 15, 2023Pinned

It's really depressing that I have to reiterate this, again. If you post anti-Semitic slurs or any other type of bigoted garbage in my Comments, I will ban you with extreme prejudice. There are many venues on the Internet where people are free to post anti-Semitic/bigoted garbage for the creeps who enjoy that kind of thing. This is not one of them.

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This piece is thus far probably the sanest thing I’ve read on the Hamas attacks and Israeli “We’re just getting started” responses. It adds to the mix the 9/11 comparison replete with how the US and its friends leveraged it at home and abroad to undermine a host of civil liberties. The inclusion of the perspective from Germany is invaluable to Americans like me who appreciate that increasingly disheartening situation.

Coincidentally, the next thing I read after CJ’s piece was Jacob Savage’s nauseating piece in the Free Press, “Can A Donor Revolt Save American Universities?” https://substack.com/app-link/post?publication_id=260347&post_id=138000952&utm_source=post-email-title&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=hchs&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo4MDkzNDQsInBvc3RfaWQiOjEzODAwMDk1MiwiaWF0IjoxNjk3NDUxNDE5LCJleHAiOjE3MDAwNDM0MTksImlzcyI6InB1Yi0yNjAzNDciLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.Oqizkds4xj_B3ic-zNmRDiP5nwZL50LqYywbO3HPMOs

Don’t take my word: at least skim Savage’s offering. To me, it represents “the real Bari Weiss.” Since leaving the NYT, Weiss, like a lot of cancel culture addicts who feign (particularly to themselves) having kicked the habit, professes to be a new, more reasonable person. I couldn’t make sense of it in that I saw no convincing cause for an epiphany and consequent “new leaf.” But the things I read in the Free Press (hardly everything that’s appeared, of course) didn’t show the dropping mask.

I should have known, however, that something like the recent Hamas attacks would remove all doubt about Bari & friends. And so we get today’s anti-free speech, anti-academic freedom, anti-intellectual expression screed from Savage. A “guest piece,” to be sure. And I would not want it censored or hidden. But perhaps some other piece to balance it would keep Weiss’ true self more in doubt. Nah. Given the chance, she doesn’t disappoint.

Since I won’t pay to read the Free Press, I can’t comment there. What I wish I could do is post the link to this column from CJ and invite comment. But money is extremely tight for me for the first time in four years, so I just can’t. If anyone reading this has a paying subscription to the Free Press and agrees with me, PLEASE post a link there to CJ’s article. If you want to use any or all of my comment, feel welcome.

And to repeat: this is a fine column that deserves widespread readership. Thank you for some sanity, CJ.

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Bravo, sir! So many great SS have been hijacked by Joo-haters posting their vitriol and arguing, and diverting from the topic at hand. And most of them are historically illiterate. I appreciate your efforts. Thank you.

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Maybe actually write out ”Substacks” next time instead of “SS” when posting on this topic.

Seems obvious , doesn’t it?

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Lol I thought the same... “great SS??? Wut?” ...”oh....”

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That, my friend, is BS. Just as u r fee to have, as well as, promote yor opinion, so does any one else regardless of how abhorrent u may personally find it. As I must tolerate and respect your opinion, so shud u. Don’t confuse an “opinion” with “the Truth”!!!

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Got it. Dogma, not tact. Heard.

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I did it because many others do, so it seemed a sort of common practice to me. Did you have trouble understanding? No one else has complained.

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Don’t be obtuse please.

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Oct 18, 2023·edited Oct 18, 2023

It seems to me that being obtuse is your specialty. I'm obtuse because I wrote "SS" instead writing the word out??

I'm thinking that maybe it's not my "SS" to which you object, but the content of my post. Anyway, CJ doesn't object, so I'm good.

Let's move on to something of substance. Buh-bye.

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A little prickly, aren’t we?

The Schutzstaffel also known as the SS was a powerful arm of the Nazis and any tactful person aware of holocaust history would probably refrain from using that abbreviation when posting on this topic.

It doesn’t appear that you are “thinking”. It’s funny that you think that because CJH hasn’t weighed in is relevant, standard appeal to authority approach - “well teacher didn’t care”. I suspect you’re just young and oblivious to the history. I wasn’t trying to scold you, dude. And I have no issue with the substance of your comment. Don’t be a dick. Thanks.

I’m Jewish BTW.

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Also as of typing this 9 other people seem to agree. It’s a moment to learn some thoughtfulness. Thanks.

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Ok. Here is another complaint. I am sure there are others here who have just scrolled past your comment, but not me.

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Oct 17, 2023·edited Oct 17, 2023

Generally speaking, as "radical" as this may sound, I do not support mass murder in any case. For that matter, I don't even support individual murder or even violence outside of defense of actual physical violence.

However, I think it's an "interesting" (for lack of a better word) situation when you look at present-day Germany, Russia, and Israel with their mutual history in mind. Specifically, I'm talking about how the German government slaughtered millions of Russians and Jews for whatever reasons.

Now, on one hand, they block and censor any amount of dissent against the continued slaughter of Russians and, on the other, they block and censor any amount of dissent against Israel's overt slaughter of Palestinians.

I can't be the only one that thinks that maybe Germany (the government specifically) should sit down, shut up, and not lecture others on what is morally correct in terms of state-sponsored violence and mass murder in particular. Can I?

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Germany is not the only european country that “that should sit down, shut up, and not lecture others on what is morally correct in terms of state-sponsored violence and mass murder in particular.”!!! There are many who are guilty of “Crimes Against Humanity”!!! They all suffer from self-induced AMNESIA. (fyi. & all of them considered themselves to be “CHRISTIAN” nations. (We slaughter and abuse our victims in the name of “GOD”.)

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I'm American. If you're referring to the treatment of Uyghurs in China, I don't know much about it beyond the surface, and it sounds all bad to me.

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Most of what you just spewed out, I'm not going to dignify with a response. You're assuming countless points and attributing them to me. I am not here to convince you or anybody else of anything. The points in my original post still stand as written.

Along those lines, just to give you an example of your gross assumptions, no neither of my parents were born in the USA. My mother's side of the family are old world Hungarians that lived in Yugoslavia during WW2. My mother was born there during the war. So don't lecture me and I'm not agreeing with anything you say.

Oh and lastly, I have to say that the idea that the Chinese are using martial arts (!!) to oppress people is one of the dumbest things that I've ever read or heard about.

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Maybe you should hear a Saudi Speech about Palestinian Heritage

https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/19647

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A request to those readers sending me furious emails and demanding to be "taken off my list." Please post your furious responses here in these BTL Comments (I will read them) and use the "unsubscribe" button at the very bottom of the Substack email. Many thanks to those readers already doing that.

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Unfortunately, your readers that want to be taken off your list, aren't keeping an open mind.

They aren't seeing the situation from both sides. Thank YOU for your insightful article.

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"“Well, my point is, at times like this, everything conspires to keep everyone from seeing things clearly and thinking critically. Everyone’s selling you a narrative and punching your emotional buttons to force you into joining their side… "

Unsubscribe is Mission Accomplished.. humans are such silly irrational creatures.

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Aren't they, though.

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Wait a minute, you're the person who accused me of "fomenting anti-Israel sentiment" in The Free Press comments, then couldn't show me how I was doing that. It's hard for me to imagine more irrational behavior on social media than those and other comments you made to and about me in which you said very prejudicial things and didn't support a single one. What gives?

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I have no idea what you are talking about. It wasn't me. I have said nothing about Israel to anyone. I'm reading everything that comes my way on both sides. You are referring to

someone else. I don't make accusations about matters. I read what I can and make my

own decisions. We can all make comments on Substack. We can all have opinions.

That's called Free Speech.

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My mistake. I apologize. I definitely believe in free speech.

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Exactly.

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I have never had a problem reading or knowing the Truth. Keep it coming.

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Contemplate this sequence: in order for there to be Peace, Justice has to prevail; for Justice to prevail, it must be preceded by Truth, and for Truth to prevail Honor is required. Can you dig it? (as we used to say in the sixties--the dress rehearsal for NOW)

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you know the 'truth' when you see it - how exactly are you able to fathom truth? to know that something is true when you simply read it?

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Truth resonates within one's humanity, it strikes a chord deep within one's soul and being. It is a "knowing" that cannot be explained but only experienced.

In the words of John Keats "‘Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all

Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.’

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I agree wholeheartedly and it’s an excellent description.

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Relentless scrutiny and cross examination are the required tools; along with the application of both deductive and inductive reasoning; and the discernment to identify prevarication and obfuscation. When you apply all these you may not arrive at absolute truth but you can know what isn’t true. Or, you can just turn on The Telescreen and assume the exact opposite of what it’s programming.

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hmmm... absolute truth is a truth which is true in all possible worlds 2+2=4 is true by the definitions of 2, +, = and 4 regardless of where the observer is in the universe...

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In the multiverse, different maths rules may apply.

Are maths our brains describing the world around us?

Or are they something concrete, like the tree falling in the forest?

More than just base 7 for the Venusians with that many digits - I'm certain there are maths that we cannot conceive of.

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base 7 is of no consequence - base 7 arithmetic functions in the universe as does base 10 unless you mix base 7 with base 10 in a single arithmetic equation - you would be adding apples and oranges and expect a single answer however there is no single answer when adding apples and oranges together in any universe

if adding a number in base 10 with a number in base 7 one of the numbers needs to be converted to the same base as the other

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It's a tricky one , isn't it? But you know it's truth when there is no agenda and simply calls out what has been happening for decades or longer.

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Recognizing what is "True" requires (I believe) humility and sincerity; it requires an open mind free of prejudice. I suppose we can only aspire to recognizing what is "true". (More often than not we dellusionally (sp.?) are sure that "we know best"; we are certain oof our assumptions.) But i believe we are able to discern what is "True".

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there exist objective truth which means 'true in all possible worlds' such as 2+2=4 there also exists subjective truth which is based on subjective values and therefore is only 'true for that person' which may become a shared subjective 'truth' when more than one person believes the phenomena to be true such as a religious truth - the bloodiest encounters between people or groups are over what is subjective truth - 30 years war in europe between roman catholics and protestants is an unfortunate example of killing based on subjective truth

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I love that you want to put it into the open. That's how we should live, in the open. Right now we are surveilled but as it plays out, openness will actually make the sociopaths and psychopaths be known, and they don't want that. This is one of the most excellent articles I've read in a long while. Let them unsubscribe themselves, why should you do it? Notice there is again an element of bossiness in them expecting you to unsubscribe them? This bossiness is the concealed fascism that is in most people, I'm sad to say. And when some crisis occurs, gives them all the reason to act like thugs. These people do not know how to reason or put an argument together so they threaten or tyrannize. This is so big a part of our culture but it all goes under the surface. We need to weed it out and expose it because exposure is what makes them shrivel.

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having fURioUs rEaDErs that send you emails and want to unsubscribe, but can't even find an "unsubscribe" button?

let them squirm, says I !!!!! :D

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Think of it as a form of whiny protest.

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Indeed, it's a pathetic form of attention seeking. "I'm going to hold my breath until you....." If you want to leave, there's the door.

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It's passive aggression at its finest. "I object to what you said, but it's your job to make it impossible for me to see more of it so I don't suffer."

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That's the woke credo in a nutshell. It's your job not to offend them, ever.

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I do wish people who don't know the actual definition of "woke" would stop throwing it at anything that doesn't fit their cult's ideology. The mindset you describe is the exact opposite of what the term means.

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If they click on "CJ Hopkins" just under the title above, it takes one to a page where they can unsubscribe quickly :) Hopefully this will clear a few of them out . . .

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I’m willing to bet that most (if not all) of the people making that request are coming from the “I Stand with Israel” camp.

Am I Right?

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Yes.

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Oct 15, 2023·edited Oct 15, 2023

Wow, now I'm really surprised! I really thought it was the other side wanting to leave!

(It's my first time reading the comments here and by first observation is that they are livelier than I would have expected, but these are very tumultuous times)

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I’m here to stay... excellent and some excellent comments both ways ... looks like we all could review some actual history .... I watched a documentary on Palestine 1920 yesterday and another that reviewed the double dealing the Allies did to the Arabs post WW2 to break up the OTTOMAN empire and the UK 🇬🇧 got Iraq 🇮🇶 in the deal and needed a port on the Mediterranean Sea 🌊 to get oil out .... and they lied to both sides ....creating Israel was the European way to finally “get rid of their Jews” so for the 1950 years of them been born into these countries but never accepted .... they thought their solution was creating an Israeli state on lands occupied by Arabs since 70 AD .....WOULDN’T THE NATIVE AMERICAN INDIGENOUS PEOPLE LOVE TO TELL THE EUROPEANS WHO ARRIVED IN 1630’s GO HOME ....We support manifest destiny for ourselves but not for the Arab culture who conquered the Holy Land 1950 years ago .... and the 12 Jewish tribes were dispersed....the DNA of those 12 tribes was most likely identical to their Arab neighbors .... the dna from European Jews will most likely be European ....why couldn’t European cultures accept a different religion and let people exist and prosper side by side ... why couldn’t they accept diversity.... why was there the inquisition😫⁉️.... convert, in slave (ghetto).....or die.....looks to me like human nature hasn’t changed much since man crawled out of the slime.... I refuse to accept either position as correct .....PRAYING FOR A PEACEFUL SOLUTION ☮️🙏🏼♥️

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Peaceful solutions are always good. It appears that you are a bit confused about history. The majority of the ancient Hebrews, mostly the rural and small trader/craftsman folks, were not deported by either Titus or Hadrian. They make up today's Palestinian people. The Arab conquest occurred when the majority had long converted to Christianity. That happened in the 700's. Several generations later, the crazy Crusaders messed up everything. The central problem as I see it is the Talmudist agenda to make that much fought-over land into an exclusively Jewish entity. Logically, that Eretz Yisroel agenda of "from the Nile to the Euphrates" needs to be examined and somehow a two-state solution needs to be achieved. Jerusalem should become a free-city, where Jews, Muslims and Christians all have equal rights.

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Oct 15, 2023·edited Oct 15, 2023

If only! Can we throw in a few Hindus, Buddhists and, especially, Taoists? And can we all learn from one another? (Realizing this is ridiculously optimistic…or is it?)

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Somebody on another stack commented that the Palestinians should immediately cede all their land in return for full Israeli citizenship. Then demographics would take over. Palestinians have more children than Israelis. They could conquer by doing nothing other than existing. Makes sense.

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Welp now ypu just explained the reason the Israeli govt created an Apartheid state. Its a huge disaster

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Read some Whitney Webb on MintPress, and she will speak of the Christian dispensationalist movement - money and people - which greatly exceed any Jewish interest in the region. Christians from UK & US funded the original settlements in the late 1800's, early 1900's, long before any WW's.

Though I agree: why can't we all just get along? (hint: follow the money, peace is not profitable)

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Yes most people are unaware Jews and Pakestinians are related through DNA. Ty for bringing that up

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Oops. Wrote my comment five+ hours after it should have been done as a reply. So look elsewhere in this thread for my comment on Letsrock's statement.

History can be as a slippery eel, as our educational institutions often infuse us with false history and the educational system here in the U$$A has been in the business of normatively socializing children and kids instead of impelling creative thinking, with some critical aspects in train.

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Islam claims to be the "Final word of God"

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

The adherents of Islam are NOT peaceful.

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Harley, there are plenty of scriptures in the Torah and Bible that speak similarly. The common thread of the 3 Judaic religions and their offshoots is that the believers are the chosen ones, that god favors them about all others, and that he will smite the non-believers and/or make them the servants of the chosen ones. As it is with religion books, most people cling to the specific writings that match their hearts. You won't often - if ever - hear loving and open-hearted people quote the domineering parts of the Bible, Torah and Quran.

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Could you please share a few from the old testament that tell Jews to murder innocent civilians because they arent Jewish? I dont remember that in the Torah. TIA

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That is totally untrue on all counts. It’s not the “final word” of God (Muhammad was considered to be a prophet just as they consider Jesus, Abraham, Isaiah, Moses, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc. Islam accepts all believers who are “People of the Book,” meaning the scriptures of the Abrahamic religions, and Islam is predominantly a peaceful religion with a profound devotion to the concept of brotherhood among it’s 1.5 billion adherents. The are relatively few extremists who have probably been groomed, agitated and provoked to be that way.

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The Islamic interpretive laws of abrogation indicate that the Prophet's earlier writings are superseded by anything he wrote after, because they are contradictory. This is confused by the fact that the Qu'ran is ordered by length of chapter, not chronologically.

Deeper studies show the verses of peace to be early in his prophetic career, and verses of jihad, conquest, slavery & conversion much later, as he discovered that conversion was more successful at sword point.

There may be Islamic scholars who can argue against the way I understand it, but abrogation is important in interpretation of the Qu'ran.

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Renewing my subscription with you right now.

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Thank you for articulating the complexity of the situation with wisdom, compassion, and the historical hindsight many of the button-pushed appear to be lacking, CJ. I knew I could count on you to bring some reality-grounded sanity to counterbalance the madness raining down around us.

I’m surprised anyone on your mailing list would find this controversial given how levelheaded and nonpartisan your analysis is. It fits well with my philosophy of “Maybe” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/i/137255701/maybe), which can be applied in any situation where the propagandists on all sides are trying to force us to choose between their prefabricated choices in a false dichotomy.

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These people you are so readily dismissing are the same people you were recently begging for money.

Not a good look

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They are dismissing themselves.

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I found his comment to be condescending.

Not a good look.

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You deserve to be condescended you nebbish coward who wants other people to fund your genocide.

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Who is a coward? The bully, you, resort to name calling.

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Maybe he's tired & fed up from the trolls in his emails.

I know I would be, especially if they were voluminous.

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Yes. We responded to the appeal for money and support. And what was our payback? Being trashed, not just by CJ but by his other followers. So let's all exercise our dollar vote and leave.

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What exactly is your problem with his post? That it's true? Honest?

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One is supposed to take sides. Immediately! On command! Even (and *especially*) before all that fog has cleared... Don't you understand how war works?!

Me, I'm a dummy. I still have a hundred questions about how this latest series of events came to pass, and I'm sure thousands more will certainly come with unfolding events... So, I'll continue to contemplate and study before decision-making, as a citizen (of the U.S.) should.

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Yeah keep asking questions and standing aside as the Israel war machine is revving up to commit genocide funded by American tax payers. Thus the victims of the Nazis become the Nazis themselves, the only thing that's constant is the world standing by and doing nothing.

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Oh for goodness sake. These 'Nazis' send warnings before they bomb a building, and they are delaying their invasion (if indeed it ever comes) in order to give civilians an opportunity to escape. If Egypt won't let them in, that's Egypt's failing.

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Why don't you pack your bags and leave the U.S. while you are at it? We'll give you the same warning the IDF gave people in Gaza 24 hours for mass small hat exodus.

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Mr hide behind a fake name Raven

Which do you pick ?

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That is MORE warning than Hamas gave.

Keep proving you are a coward.

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So you commit to something you believe in, and then disagree with one thing completely different, you suddenly think everything is one thing all at once. That's like hating all black folk because one mugged you. You must be in love with convenience, just a pity its an inconvenient world.

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We live in a culture of dismissing and labeling others but we expect better from you CJ

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He doesn't need subscribers.

Just thier money.

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It's almost like something polarizing happened in the interim.

hmmmmm whatever could it be

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Glad you know how propaganda work. But, David Cashion, it also means that we know what you're doing.

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Sorry

But this thread is so long I don't know what you are talking about

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Sorry, Mr. Raven, you are gone. I have a strict policy about anti-Semitic and other bigoted slurs, as in I don't tolerate them.

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Oct 15, 2023Liked by CJ Hopkins

Thank you!

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Did you actually just write that on a public forum, you POS? 'Eternal wanderers'? Get out of 'civilised western' countries? Jesus H Christ.

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Not sure why people would do that, "unsubscribe." You're a voice of reason.

But?

Now that I think back to March of 2020 and the following 20 some-odd month afterwards, I lost a lot of friends, family, and acquaintances then as well for pointing out the glaring holes in the commonly accepted narratives pushed by the media and governmental agencies and institutions. We're just coming around full circle like a plane doing 'touch-and-goes.'

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🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂Really, they are requesting to be removed from your Substack??!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 What freaking children!! Oh wait, most 9yrs olds I know can actually deal with teasing, insults or challenges to their world view, so these peeps are frigging babies!!!🤣😂🤣😉

Bravo! CJ, I don't always agree with your perspective, but I'll %$#@&!@ defend your right to have it. You know, 'cos that's what grownups used to do!😉🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🙏

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It's ironic that those offended don't see that they are falling for the same story all over again. I guess it's different because this time it feels personal? They'll play along if the strategized subterfuge and propaganda involves their heritage? It just goes to show you that the ruling class mafia knows what they are doing. Pulling out the Kew/Arab conflict seems to be a fool-proof psy-op, especially after years in the making.

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Remain steadfast, CJ. Those who oppose the unjust/immoral politics of Israel are a pathetic minority. I am an expat. Since I do not live “stateside” I don’t suffer recrimination (at least so it seems, but ya never kno!) of going against the status quo of the HERD!

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I am Dutch, but I do not want to be held responsible for the actions of prime minister Rutte, or any of his cronies in The Hague. Likewise, one should not hold Israeli people responsible for the actions of Netanyahu. God knows they would've like to get rid of him. (Fat chance this will happen now), or Palestinians for the actions of Hamas. That's why I mourn all loss of lives in these conflicts, be it Israeli, Palestinian, Ukrain, Russian etc etc. They are all somebody's son, brother, sister, father, mother. Also, it's never actually Netanyahu's life, or Zelensky's, or Rutte's, that gets lost, isn't it?

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I do believe you have it backwards. The goal of the Arab world has always been to demolish Israel and rid the world of all Jews. Read the history I posted on the link I shared. Literally the hatred for the Jews began way back in Constantine's time. It began with the Christian movement which blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus and was the beginning of anti-semitism worldwide which continues to exist today.

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Christian movement? A curious term. Any self-professing Christian who blames the Jews for the death of Jesus does not understand his or her religion. Christians (the ones who understand their religion) believe that Jesus is the Messiah promised to the Jewish people. He is the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. Jesus was not killed by the Jews. He was killed by all of us. He is the ultimate sacrifice. Adam created death through sin. Jesus destroyed death by his death on the cross and resurrection. He is the bridge to salvation. We are all responsible for the death of Jesus because we all sin against God. He died for our sins. All of us. For all time. Believer or not. To be a Christian is to believe that Jesus is who he said he is and that faith in Him is the pathway to salvation.

I recommend you read Matthew 16. Since you probably won't, here's an excerpt.

Jesus Predicts His Death

21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life[f] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16&version=NIV

If you read the Gospels, you would understand Jesus claimed he came to save the Jews, his people. His followers were Jews as were his persecutors. Most early Christians were, in fact, Jews. They were persecuted for nearly three hundred years until Emperor Constantine's mother converted to Christianity. It is claimed that Constantine was baptized on his deathbed.

It's important to separate the actions of human beings from the teachings of Jesus. Many people have used his name to justify all kinds of evil.

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People justify all sorts of evil in all sorts of manners. I’m waiting for people to justify love, at long last.

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Occupy Peace. Justify Love. Transcend History.

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Exactly!

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That always seems to be last on the list, and the list always burns up in flames before we get even close to it's last item.

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Can we fireproof that list?

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Jesus was also a Jew. A Rabbi, as the apostles called him.

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??? So, are you saying that the Hebrew Mashiach (Messiah), whom they believe is yet to come, and the Christian Messiah, Jesus Christ, are one and the same in both religions?!

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"The goal of the Arab world has always been to demolish Israel and rid the world of all Jews."

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and vice-versa. You've got it ass-backwards, Maurine.

And that makes your viewpoint as unique as a penny. Or as unique as any Jihadist.

"Skinny Legs and All"

By Tom Robbins

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/155517/skinny-legs-and-all-by-tom-robbins/

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Everything is equivalent. Everything is abstract. Everything is remote. Until it’s in your house. Then who will you call, AOC or Tranny Du Jour?

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LOL IDF bombs are going to murder ten times as many people as Hamas scalpers.

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To paraphrase; If it results in the death of one Hamas terrorist, it's well worth it!

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“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

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Muslim countries were traditionally a safe haven for Jews, until 1948.

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Evidence please.

The history afaik says that Islam will conquer all the world.

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

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To give one example, when the Jews were kicked out of Spain in 1492, the Ottoman Empire took the refugees in.

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Did they settle in Israel? the land that they live in now?

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None of which is relevant to the point.

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Goalposts have been moved...

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They were secondery citizens with a lot of obligations and few rights. What a nice "safe" heaven.

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Compared with Europe at the time, it was.

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? Just google firestorm bombing, dresden, hamburg...

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Don’t worry, history and facts will not penetrate the Kumbayah force field of stupid that envelopes this discussion.

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Not exactly. It has been the imperial colonialists who have always wanted to destroy the Arabs dating back to probably the Crusades. It is mostly driven by racism and colonial intent to wipe out indigenous people and steal the land and the resources. Zionism played right into that ambition as you can see from the Balfour Declaration. The origins of Zionism, those to hit Palestine first after WWI, were atheists from Russia. That Thomas guy who invented it 1896, was an atheist. Listen to Kim Iverson on Sabby Sabs. Then read the piece below. https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/nakba-palestinian-catastrophe-began-19th-century-and-continues-day?fbclid=IwAR0Q_2xfHt3vsc5fltR8yERWGwl1t--pxrGDNsq_oAfuXO1dgB5rxevGbLk

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Stop lying or educate yourself.

The Crusades were a response to the new "religion" that conquered 2 of 3 Christian holy sites.

The same religion that claims to be the LAST WORD OF GOD.

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

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What would Saint Francis say. This is why i supported the Interfaith Movement, that got squashed by many religious fanatics, like your favorite Christian Zionists/Dispensationalist.

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I now don't even know what you are saying?

I am not religious at all. I do not know saint Francis nor do I care.

Address the Point: the Crusades were a response to Islam's aggression.

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then there is always god's chosen people... they are special in the eyes of the Lord.

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Yes. memory fart

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Oh please, the ghastly evil war lords in Israel have murdered many time more civilians than the Palestinians could even dream of killing by like 10:1. And as per usual Jews are such skinflints they can't even be bothered to fund their own genocide they insist American tax payers provide the weapons and foot the bill.

I used to wonder why the German people rose up in anger and did things like Kristalnacht, it's perfectly clear to me now. Jews rob you blind and then laugh in your face and gaslight you after doing so. Goodbye to Pareto's Foxes, now is a time of Lions!

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Your comment-Antisemitism at its finest. Who funded Hamas-not the Palestinians but Iran.

"Jew rob you blind"-right from this oldest history of anti-semitism, which remains alive and well all over the world. You just proved my point. Thanks.

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There is a lot of material online dating back to 2002 about Israel creating Hamas. Israel funded them to undermine Arafat and the PLO. That is how they dealt with the little RIGHT OF RETURN issue that many Jews supported, BTW. It would be great if you stopped with the ARABS ARABS ARABS complaint. Zionism was an imperialist launched project and mostly racist. Naeim Giladi and Finkelstein wrote a lot about it. My friend Naeim was an Iraqi Jew who was seduced to move to Israel and become a Zionist. After decades, he learned all too well racism was at the center of Zionist Israel. Israel is the biggest military in the region. It is an arm of US military in Mid East.

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Hamas is a splinter group of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's well documented. It's primarily funded by Iran.

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Yes, and no. Zionists are Israels worst enemy, and like Finkelstein said, Israel would do well to cut out USA. Seems more that Israel pushed Palestinians into the arms of Hamas. It seems as if the Crusades never did stop. https://www.wrmea.org/2002-november/israel-created-two-of-its-own-worst-enemies-hamas-and-hezbollah.html

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Seduced? really?

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Ok, found thread. You do not even know who he is. He left Iraq in 1950 to join this romantic Zionist movement. he was a young man. 30 year later he left after he understood what a racist country it was. He wrote a book THE SCANDALS OF Ben Gurion -- that was the period he lived there. I hear Tel Aviv is completely different than anywhere much else in Israel. Upper eschalon oligarchs are nearly all Russian or European origins. The British Empire project as outlined by Balfour Declaration.

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This is a beheaded comment. I do not know what it goes to, if i hit back, it just goes to the pool. Are you talking about Naeim Giladi? Have you read his story. If you know nothing about him, have not read him, then what does REALLY mean? That is the only time I use that word usually. wish you had included more words. i have to go. i am going itnop major PTSD heart attack once i found my tax accountant disappeared.

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Your understanding is incorrect. Try reading history that doesn't use misinformation.

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No he is absolutely correct that Bibi had a hand in both creating and funding Hamas. He wanted the PLO out of power in Gaza. So did America and of course the CIA were right there too.

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"Ze Germans" didn't rise up in anger. It was a particular subset of Germans called the Nazis. They were never a majority in Germany or Austria. But like their modern day brethren in Ukraine, they hold greatly outsized power compared to their numbers, for the very simple reason is that they were/are willing to commit violence to get what they want.

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Are you saying that the 99% of votes for the Nazi Party in 1938 wasn't legitimately a measure of how Germans felt about the Nazi's?

The funny thing about "support", is that the numbers never really tell the truth. Even in the U.S., where an elected president often gets around 50% of the vote, at least 1/3 of people don't vote - most of which because they don't believe in any candidate. And, of course, of the votes that are counted, there's no way to know when it's fudged. That's true everywhere, and we should keep that in mind when hearing that a certain candidate or party is popular. We should ask ourselves "how many people voted?", "what were the choices, really?", "how many people felt pressured or were literally forced to vote a certain way?", "how do we know that the vote count is even remotely legitimate?"

I think the answers, examined rationally, would lead most people to realize that "popular support" is a theory, at best, and often quite plainly a fiction.

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Yup, that is exactly what I'm saying. The "collective guilt" thing only goes so far.

I won't repeat what you wrote and only add to it. People also tend to forget how slowly information traveled, and how ephemeral it was back then. Any news that was not "world shaking" that was not printed in a newspaper was mostly lost immediately. If not, it was just anecdotal and easy to refute. No video journalism at all, let alone on cellphones. It is much easier to lie and manipulate when you can't be called out with video evidence.

I saw this play out perfectly in the 2016 election. Hillary was campaigning like it was 1992 when Bill won the first time. She would tell one story at a campaign stop, and then say something completely different two days later in another town. But in that second town she was shocked that some uppity college student with her phone was in Hillary's face confronting Hillary with her own words promising the opposite two days prior. Hillary did what Hillary always does and got super aggressive. That was also caught on camera.

That happened numerous times that I saw, and I wasn't spending loads of time searching for things like that. It had a cumulative effect. It certainly didn't lose Hillary the election on its own, but it definitely was a factor in proving that she is a serial liar with a super thin skin and mean streak a mile wide.

I can imagine that 2023 technology was available in 1923, the elections between 1923 and 33 would have gone very differently. Of course, the counter to that argument is what has been happening in Ukraine from 2013 to 2023. The huge differences there is that Germany was a major power for centuries in 1920, even after losing WWI. Ukraine is not. There was not global hegemon pulling the strings and controlling media like the US does in 2023.

OK, I'm rambling when I should be working. I wonder if some uni student has written a dissertation on this subject. That'd be interesting to read.

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Sorry, about your Grandson. I live in Central Florida. Hello, neighbor :=)

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Hello to you neighbor and thank you

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Please Maurine, share that link again.

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And why would Muslims care about Christian hatred of Jews (which doesn’t have a basis in Christianity, but just ignorance + politics)?

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they don't. I was only pointing out the origin of anti-semitism. The Muslims hate the state of Israel and Hamas hates all Jews.

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The Palestinian people are NOT trying to get rid of Hamas. That’s the problem.

The Palestinian people overwhelmingly elected Hamas to represent them.

The Palestinians celebrated the massacre and the atrocities (just as they did after 9-11).

Yes, the Israeli response will be ugly..... but Hamas (and Iran) knew that it would be. They counted on it.

Great governance by Hamas, deliberately getting their supporters killed/sarc

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Sadly, after they elected Hamas, Hamas never again allowed an election. I would guess that half the people of Palestine don't support Hamas.

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The poll results are:

(88.9%) support the firing of rockets from Gaza at Israel.(75.4%) believe that the deterrence of the Palestinian Resistance has increased.(61.2%) of the Palestinians oppose the deployment of UN-multi-national forces in Gaza Strip.(54.0%) are satisfied with the performance of Palestine-president “Abu Mazen.”(64.7%) rated the stances of the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon as “negative.”(58.1%) are content with the ICRC performance, (71.2 %) with that of the UNRWA.

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Israel never helped create Hamas. Hamas was the outcome of the lack of control from the Palastinian Liberation Organization and Hamas took advantage. Terrorists do that, you know.

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You can blame it all on the Prime Minister, or the Jews, but there can never be a two state solution because the Arab countries have, from the beginning of Israel, always wanted to obliterate Israel and all the Jews in the area. Israel's role from day 1 has been to defend its state that all countries surrounding it want to exterminate. The so-called isolation you talk about is the direct result of continued attacks on Israel-check out who started all 5 wars. And read "Constaantine's Sword" and the beginnings of centuries of anti-semitism. It's written by a Catholic.

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Don't know him or what he wrote.

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Were the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising elected in an internationally supervised democratic election?

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No. But they were trying to save their lives, not slaughter babies, putz.

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The Germans certainly thought of them as "terrorists". For that matter, apartheid South Africa labeled the ANC similarly.

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More amoral idiocy.

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Hamas was voted into power in 2006 and there hasn’t been a vote since. Did the Palestinians know that Hamas would turn out to be what it is today?

And just exactly how are they supposed to get rid of them when most of the leaders live in Qatar and Palestinians aren’t free to leave their open air prison?

Are you even aware of the events happening at the Al-Asqa mosque where Israeli settlers are invading it and Israel has plans to destroy it and then build their own temple? That would be equivalent to Muslims invading St Peter square, destroying the Vatican and building a mosque for themselves. Funny how the corporate media isn’t talking about this event.

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If you go look at the history of the Palestinian election only 44% of the Palestinians voted for Hamas. That leaves 56% that didn’t want them. We all need to start studying for ourselves. Know your facts!

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The Muslims invaded it first.

Fact.

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50% of the Palestinian people were infants when Hamas was voted in.

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There's another piece here that's very compelling and not spoken to here.

https://www.youtube.com/live/yhrKfl6LUiI?si=3JGGHrmlHkh6wVQ_

Alec Zeck and Ihsan Abbas.

A beautiful conversation.

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they voted for Hamas in 2005 and Hamas hasn't held an election since. The average Palestinian is incapable of fighting Hamas. Doesn't mean the average person doesn't hate Israelis.

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When is there ever honest, fair-minded reporting on Iran. Its all stereotypes and caricatures.

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the money is still on hold.

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Means nothing in the real world. You can easily get credit or a loan off “money still on hold”. You can fundraise off of that coming money. It shows solvency to investors. You can also allocate funding from 1 things to another thing pending the release of future funds. You can do lots with money still on hold.

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After they were elected in 2006 Hamas promptly canceled all future elections.

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Agreed.

All of these conflicts, both recent and historic, have been orchestrated by the "Owners" (globalists).

Simply another way to kill more "useless eaters".

Perpetual jabs, wars and deliberately created famine will keep the depop agenda moving along nicely.

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Keep spreading peace and discernment.

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No, and it's not LBJ's, GW Bush's, or JOE"s either. My Aunt's husband, 21, was KIA in

WW2 in Normandy, France+

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🙌

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You might like this:

https://www.youtube.com/live/yhrKfl6LUiI?si=3JGGHrmlHkh6wVQ_

Alec Zeck and Ihsan Abbas.

A beautiful conversation.

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Don't get so soft you lack the will to defend the downtrodden.

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You might like this conversation. I found it very beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/live/yhrKfl6LUiI?si=3JGGHrmlHkh6wVQ_

Alec Zeck and Ihsan Abbas.

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We were on the same page — as usual. It took me three days to write the beheaded baby story and people on twitter have accused me on holocaust denial and more but war propaganda always

makes things worse. The BB story was used to take the guardrails off an Israel response and virtually everyone, including Biden has used it. Echoes of 9/11 and I feel sick too, as I recall my then-idol Christopher Hitchens going off the deep-end with his support for the Iraq War. I couldn’t believe what he was writing. We should do a show.

Warm regards as always — BTW people I used to admire are making total asses out of themselves.It seems the more money an INDY makes — the more difficult it is for them to think clearly. I'm sure you know who I am talking about. So stay broke and think critically......Txx

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Thanks, hang in there, Trish, things are probably going to be rather ugly for a while. Folks have been whipped up to frenzies of blind hatred again. It's likely to get worse before it gets better.

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Just as an aside, the coalition we were building in favour of health freedom and against globotechno fascism has now been ripped asunder.

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You don't say ... funny how that works.

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I don't agree.

Shiny objects come and go.

Poland, New Zealand are good examples of what is in store for the Globalist.

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When questions around what really happened on 9/11 were eventually snuffed out, and thereafter people who asked them become constantly ridiculed if not outright "canceled", well that was the beginning of the end. Up until around 2009-2010, there was no less a large minority of the population who seriously doubted the official narrative of 9/11 and were sometimes mocked, but were often able to speak out in the open (though there were already some firings). Around 2010, that came to an end. Ever since, censorship has exploded. 9/11 was major catalyst event #1, followed by Trump being (s)elected, followed by the release of sars-covi-2 on the population. Each of these three events were critical to reaching the tipping point in worldwide censorship we're seeing today.

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The plandemics are fizzling, the WHO is under fire, the Ukraine war has lost it’s propaganda power, but boy-oh-boy. The globalists hit a hot button with this. It will be difficult for most to step back & take a balanced view. Thank you for your thoughtful essay.

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Thannks CJ -- just saw your new piece. Really great.

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Thank you for writing this. It must have been hard to do. Thank you.

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I'd like to initiate November as the "Be kind to the people the media tells us we should hate month."

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This is so perfectly written and conveyed I have nothing to say. I have cross posted this on my substack. Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth. As I hear often, "I side with humanity"...

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I’m not going to call you names. This is mostly regurgitating a bunch of over simplified, fundamentally incorrect 1960’s Marxist anti-colonialist gobbledygook. This is not 9/11. Stop it. Israel isn’t invading a distant country. They are stopping murder and mayhem on their border. There are 2 million Arabs who live in Israel, not in the West Bank or Gaza. They like it in Israel.,They are judges, parliamentarians, soldiers. Many were murdered by Hamas recently. But the dead Bedouins and Arabs will get no love from CJ. No salute for those indigenous peoples that you stand up for. There is no wiping out of the indigenous population by the Jews. Jews are the indigenous population too. More bullshit. A German, snatched a Palestinian flag? Wow. That’s right up there with Auschwitz.

Nobody on the Israeli side takes pleasure in killing civilians. Which is why they are giving people time to get out. Ask Egypt why they lock their doors on their own people and have for 17 years. Like most Lefties you prefer to see the world in absolute terms that don’t correspond to reality. What is the reality of living with Hamas for decades and their terror attacks?

What is it like to have homicidal maniacs lurking in your backyard 24/7/365 waiting to kill you because they hate you. The land issue is bullshit. This isn’t about land. This is about wiping out the Jews. Grow the fuck up.

The dead babies are real, comrade and they were killed to show that they want to wipe out the Jews. Stop sanitizing genocide. You’re too invested in 1960’s boomer utopian thinking with a little intifada thrown in to spice things up. I’ll tell you something else. Hamas would be only too happy to wipe out secular humanists in Europe too because you are a nonbeliever. They hate you too.

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It's 9/11 because there was no way that this could have happened unless it was allowed to happen as Brett Weinstein and guest so clearly articulate; a guest who has first hand knowledge of IDF defense capabilities at the wall. https://rumble.com/v3oewxb-the-israel-attacks-beyond-the-obvious-with-efrat-fenigson.html

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The measures outlined by Efrat, (she who knows the usual drills) removal of critical forces that patrol the border, sudden absence of normal breach detection, very slow slow response, and ?15 breaches of a fence that normally would detect the proximity of a cat, does corroborate the 'it was allowed to happen' narrative ( in spite of a years preparation and direct warning by the Egyptians). If so, then so too has the horrendous behavior. To spark what? THAT is the question. The deeper agenda?

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It’s amazing. One israeli who served in intelligence 25 years ago said something and immediately certain groups latch on to what is pure speculation because it suits their world view. Her answer is wrong. Not only is it wrong, it’s unnecessary. Why- because the Hamas attack was predicted by another high ranking former intelligence official in public in a think tank white paper, including the type of attack and the timing. In other words everybody was already warned in public a few months ago. So they can’t say they did not know it was a possibility. They disagreed with the assessment. The experts were wrong. It’s not a conspiracy. On top of that Hamas has publicly stated what they were going to do. Again not a secret. Experts make mistakes. Not every mistake is malicious. Netanyahu couldn’t afford to make this type of error, because he may very well lose his tenuous grasp on power as a result of the failure to stop the attack,

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/how-hamas-fooled-the-experts

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Well said. I agree with every word.

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All that to say, "Mass murder is cool. Don't you want to be cool?"

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Dumber than a box of rocks, Fisto.

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