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Tessa Lena's avatar

My heart goes out to you. The fact that you are standing tall and speaking the truth so eloquently annoys them, but you shall win.

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Katherine's avatar

With some intelligence, a little "liquid luck," and a whole lot of "Are You F'ing Insane?!" and "Over My Dead Body!" tempered with "do you care to read the latest mask study, adverse events information, Ivermectin study?" and a little, "do you know how much Pfizer made on the Covid vaccines?" or "bio-weapon research should NOT happen any more, don't you think?" or, "maybe getting every single Ukrainian killed is not helping their nation, much?"

Or any other shred of reason they might possibly be able to comprehend?!

I think it's going to take a lot of "Good cop, Bad cop," plus really intelligent targeted resistance.

Cash.

Natural & Herbal Medicine

Zero Energy Homes

Victory Gardens

More Free Press

Resistance to Indoctrination

Dropping Major Corporations & Pharma Controlled Medicine,

Finding Independent Doctors.

Tax Resistance

I don't wish to see another civil war in America, or "WW lll" played out even stronger than it is right now.

But at some point with the issues building up, people will finally have had enough. I hope we are there; if they bring up mandates Nationwide perhaps we will find out.

Finally, exposing and prosecuting the perps.

Our true end goal.

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daiva's avatar

🗨 keep in mind, each one of those points of control adds another potential point of failure to the machine. It’s a lot to monitor, maintain, and enforce. It’s the sort of thing that builds a lot of resentment, a petty, daily irritation that keeps people in a constant state of anger, searching for an outlet. Sooner or later, the pressure will come, then the cracks, then the failure.

(h/t @Librarian of Celaeno here on stacks)

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Is spam and malicious link. I reported user because of same thing on another Stack.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Calling this a Kafkaesque trial is by no means an exaggeration and is precisely why I interwove these excerpts from “The Trial” into my article about Sucharit Bhakdi’s own experience with the German injustice system (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/profiles-in-courage-prof-dr-sucharit):

“Someone must have slandered Josef K., for one morning, without having done anything truly wrong, he was arrested.”

“‘When you are acquitted in this sense, it means the charge against you is dropped for the moment but continues to hover over you, and can be reinstated the moment an order comes from above.’”

—The priest

“‘There can be no doubt that behind all the pronouncements of this court, and in my case, behind the arrest and today’s inquiry, there exists an extensive organization. An organization that not only engages corrupt guards, inane inspectors, and examining magistrates who are at best mediocre, but that supports as well a system of judges of all ranks, including the highest, with their inevitable innumerable entourage of assistants, scribes, gendarmes, and other aides, perhaps even hangmen, I won’t shy away from the word. And the purpose of this extensive organization, gentlemen? It consists of arresting innocent people and introducing senseless proceedings against them, which for the most part, as in my case, go nowhere. Given the senselessness of the whole affair, how could the bureaucracy avoid becoming entirely corrupt?’”

—Josef K.

“‘… your guilt is assumed proved.’ ‘But I’m not guilty,’ said K. ‘It’s a mistake. How can any person in general be guilty? We’re all human after all, each and every one of us.’ ‘That’s right,’ said the priest, ‘but that’s how guilty people always talk.’”

—The priest and Josef K.

“‘The judgment isn’t simply delivered at some point; the proceedings gradually merge into the judgment.’”

—The priest

“What has happened to me is merely a single case and as such of no particular consequence, since I don’t take it very seriously, but it is typical of the proceedings being brought against many people. I speak for them, not for myself.”

—Josef K.

* * *

While Sucharit received a triumphant “Not Guilty” verdict, the prosecutor immediately appealed the decision, so the Kafkaesque trial drags on. (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/i/133003377/candles-for-sucharit)

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CJ Hopkins's avatar

The man knew what was what.

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Thumbnail Green's avatar

I’m still angry and hate the idea of handing money over at my small town bar to people who smile because they like me but don’t know I’m unvaccinated. We both know they are fascists but I know more.

It’s ruined. The fantasy of community. They showed themselves

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FedEm's avatar

It's wild isn't it? Knowing these same people turned on you, their families, communities, their country, and will do so again at the behest of the Man On TV.

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Thumbnail Green's avatar

They signalled the virtue they didn’t have

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Yosef Hirsh's avatar

The irony of fascists using anti fascist laws to attack an anti fascist because he called out their fascism...

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

Quite right! But that's the strategy that has always been used; disseminating the propaganda of lies and deception to cover their true motivations and goal to achieve total dominance and control; like so many others the German legal system has been compromised and have become complicit in promoting and maintaining the totalitarian designs of the world's puppet-masters.

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Kittykat's avatar

Exactly. The intention is to demoralize. Once demoralized control is much easier.

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Mrs Bucket's avatar

The same happening in the US, the UK, most parts of Europe, most parts of the English speaking world but also in South America.

I've experienced EXACTLY what you are talking about - I'm involved with a large organisation, they indulged in a classic example of 'pro-black-anti-racism' but really it was thinly veiled 'anti-white-racism'. I called out the organisation involved and their little Stalins turned on me for breaking their 'designed-to-demoralise' diversity rules. So I went through the whole kangaroo court process, proved them wrong, their lefty lawyers backed down. Now they're trying to get me on some microscopic 'offence', we'll demolish their student politics on that one also.

WE MUST FIGHT this crap but it is expensive and annoying. 'DEMORALISING' your enemy is a classic Marxist tactic. China is behind more of this than most realise, via their poodle the UN.

We are at war, the worst kind of war; mind bending, subversion, blackmail, treachery, bullying, cheating, lying, soul destroying...THE CANCER OF RESURGENT WORLDWIDE COMMUNISM...IN 2023.

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Dale's avatar

It is growing increasingly difficult and frustrating to try and have rational discussions with irrational people. Some of the people that I have the most difficulty communicating with are the very souls who encouraged me to push back against and question the world, to make my own decisions. One thing is for sure, I have a newfound appreciation for the power of psychological warfare and it has created a pretty intense self examination of the things I think I know.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

ReachingPeople.net has good resources, videos to try to help us get better at getting our message to land as we hope. It's a bit dry, classroom-ish. But has a lot to teach. And it takes practice, repetition.

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Kimpeccable's avatar

Happy birthday, CJ. I'd love to say I know how you feel but I've never had a phalanx of Nazis try to take me down. However, I do know that not long after 9/11--I was then living in New York--that I declared we were living in a police state and people would roll their eyes. What I didn't say but wanted to was, you fucking imbeciles, you have no idea what you're talking about, no idea what's coming down the pike.

A parable comes to mind, Chicken Little and his falling sky--you trying to warn the townspeople of impending disaster only to be rudely and unceremoniously blown off. Only in this version not only do they want to discredit you, they insinuate that you're not even a chicken, that you're a fox, or a maybe hyena who plans to prey on the most vulnerable of society. They want to make an example of you and run you out of town, but not before making you a humiliating spectacle. The way all dictators operate is to scapegoat anyone who calls out their tyranny and demonize them; they whip up hatred in the indoctrinated masses who are then set upon the target, if not to literally tear him to shreds, then to wreck him emotionally and psychologically.

I read something today that struck me, a quote about the importance of words-- that if you put an "s" in front of "word," it becomes "sword." Words cut, they stab, they can even kill, which is why they are so dangerous to despots, and why they are going after you with such a vengeance. It must be frustrating as hell to know you're innocent and to be treated like a criminal, but stay straight, rider, and do not let them sheathe your sword. We need your words now more than ever.

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FedEm's avatar

And then when the sky falls as predicted, the same people don't notice it, or blindly go along with it, or *celebrate it*.

How many mea culpas have you received? I'm sitting at zero.

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Kimpeccable's avatar

I actually don't need the apology as much as I need people to wake up. I like that CJ exhorted his readers to talk with those who are in denial. After 3 years of trying to win her to my side, my sister told me the other night that she would not get any more jabs. I was relieved to hear that. She said it with such sadness and resignation that I have to believe she's deeply disturbed that she was conned--that after two vaxes and a booster she got covid anyway. I said nothing. Before this, I'm pretty sure I would have said I told you so.

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FedEm's avatar

That's a mea culpa in my book, good on her finally getting there.

I do want to see apologies from a good number of people after how they treated me, their own children, their community. And full accountability placed on the psychopaths who imposed it all.

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Jayne Evans's avatar

My Mum said she wouldn't have any more shots after the 4th one. She got covid anyway, then long covid - fluid on the lungs still there 6 months later. She knew I didn't get it and was stood down from my job for 9 months. She thought I was mad but my peaceful example finally came home to roost.

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Kimpeccable's avatar

I'm sorry about your mum and sorry you were barred from working for 9 months. Never in the history of the world has such unconstitutional tyranny been meted out for a phony health emergency. It's unconscionable and the people responsible should be tried for murder.

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Carstie's avatar

It's all about control over the message. Freud's descendant, Edward Bernays, created the public relations industry and famously won over the feminists of that day and age who were all about voting rights for women, to engage in a NYC parade, while demonstrably smoking cigarettes...a social no-no during that post-Victorian era. That demonstration exemplifies Mind-Control writ large.

Fast forward to advertising agencies and public relations firms and to the total control over mass media...specifically and currently so-called "social media" institutions whom are totally in bed with the Agency. Generation by generation a deliberate dumbing down of the general public, whether by that media mesmerization meme or via a public educational system which is cleverly calculated to eviscerate critical thinking capabilities...and you then have focus on the general principles of systemic mind-control.

Central to the battleground is the concept of semantics: Prime example is the cleverly staged "Patriot Act" which was the concomitant of the 9-11 Inside Job. Properly, their semantic trick can be turned upon itself by referring to it as the Patriot Suppression Act. Now doesn't that make a whole lot of common sense as applied to the war on We The People? Another one is Eisenhower's "Military Industrial Complex". That's a bit complex for the average Murrikkkan to comprehend. My preference is the "WarDefenseIndustry". It's all about defending profits for those like the Rottenchild Crime Clan and the Rottenfeller Crime Clan's holdings in Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon, ad nauseam.

Emphatically, we must NEVER use their terminology...their semantic tricks...brought to us by those nice folks like General Electric Theatre, which featured Ronnie Raygunz as their spokesman who dulcetly intoned: "Remember, at General Electric, PROGRESS is our most important product".

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Kimpeccable's avatar

This has been mentioned repeatedly in Facebook discussions, that we must not employ the language that those who would oppress us use. It's shocking how many Americans don't know anything about Edward Bernays and his mass indoctrination, nor do they know that the US school system was set up not to educate, but to groom future workers to be compliant and obedient. They did a pretty bang-up job, didn't they?

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Carstie's avatar

Ol' Man Rottenfeller, the archetype of the Robber Barons, went for the throat on his "competition is a sin" agenda by means of weaponized "philanthropy". Not only did he fund Columbia University's first college of edjumacasion anywhere across the fruited plain; he also chose a pair of "intellectual giants", John Dewey and James Bryant Conant ,to administer the program. Dewey famously remarked (slight paraphrasing here) that "we do not need these people to learn serious history, geography, the Classics or calculus; we merely require them to work in our factories, shops and offices as well as provide us with nourishing food". This agenda was established shortly after the end of WWI. Columbia's college of education served as the original template for such institutions right across the country. Initially, many of these establishments were called "Normal Schools". Know something? I pretty much hate the term "normal" and it's dancing partner "well adjusted". Some years back I encountered a test developed by the state of Kansas which was given to 8th graders who needed to pass it for graduation and possible admittance int high school. My calculation while reading it was that I could barely pass. My thoughts at the time was that because of hyper-specialization in grad schools, that the average PHD in whichever field would have extreme difficulty with said exam for 1906 8th graders. Why? The test was quite comprehensive and though overly focused on agricultural matters for this day and age; the exam was all about general knowledge. A significant proportion of folks who sport a series of letters at the tail of their surnames are quite ignorant in fields outside their areas of specialization.

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daiva's avatar

Here it is, the Eighth-Grade Final Exam from 1895 😊 --> www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/p_test/1895_Eightgr_test.htm

Sections for Grammar, Arithmetic, U.S. History, Orthography, and Geography. An endeavour for some six hours.

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Carstie's avatar

Thank you so much, Daiva. Hoping that many of the posters check it out and archive it. I just did so before this response. Even a cursory scan of the test should convince anyone that educational standards in the U$$A have deteriorated massively since John D. Rottenfeller massively financed that college of ed-ju-ma-casion at Columbia University. Bob Dylan tells it well: "Money doesn't talk, it swears".

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daiva's avatar

🗨 Verbum Vincet = words conquer

Whose motto is that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Psychological_Operations_Group

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Kimpeccable's avatar

@daiva, thanks for the link. Geez. Did you see their IG page? The comments are bizarre.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1o_aGrACMh/

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Johnny Dollar's avatar

Two things.

One, your books, FWIW, are available in clown shit show Canada.

Two, this post is timely. Tell you what happened to me yesterday. I got into a spirited conversation with a stranger on social media. I only recently joined because of certain circumstances and had no intentions of engaging with anyone. But I responded to someone in a thread asking them if they know about the Coutts Four (here in Canada).

The Coutts Four are four guys who were arrested by the highly corrupt RCMP for allegedly being in possession of assault weapons and planning an 'insurrection'. No charges have been formally laid and they've been sitting in jail for over 520 days without being allowed to post bail. Due process. Poof. Rule of law. Poof. Just like that.

But the signs were all there under Justin Trudeau. The CF happened during the trucker's convoy. Remember, how Justin responded? Justin had been practicing and sharpening his totalitarian skills and impulses during the SNC-Lavalin scandal where he overtly breached the rule of law along with his pal Gerald Butts. A pair of Westmount white trash graduates and authoritarians. Westmount is a wealthy enclave in Montreal and one of the wealthiest in Canada.

The person, getting back to the discussion I triggered, said those people deserved it because 'inshirreckshun'. Of course, it was NEVER established there was ANY kind of insurrection planned in Canada. No one stormed Parliament. All they did was demand Justin resign (which he should) and end the absurd mandates that Justin was cynically using as a political wedge. Did some protestors get a little excited? Sure. Like all protests. Was the honking excessive? Perhaps. But it ended after a couple of days. It was all revealed during POEC where the government's position was basically "Fuck you this is how we saw it and we ain't telling because 'Cabinet Privilege. Trust us. Truckers were using babies as human shields." This last part? Yes, Justin Trudeau did say, under oath. exactly this. A bald-face and arrogant lie. Indeed, every Minister who got up there lied through their asses. Chrystia Freeland was just out of her mind. So what was evident to all and any of sound mind - that is, the government didn't prove their case about the Emergencies Act - wasn't for the lackey activist Liberal judge Paul Rouleau. His ruling was essentially 'yeh well, I'm not sure about any of this but I will trust the government here and say they met the threshold'. Which was a TERRIBLE conclusion for the country. Then Justin got up there and grinned. He repeated the same routine when he appointed another Liberal lackey 'rappateur' to investigate Chinese interference in our political elections. And lo and behold - ta -da! - he found no funky business going on. Wink.

So that's Canada under Justin Trudeau. And that's just scratching the surface. Many Canadians don't see it. I mean, like, at all. That's how sound asleep they apathetically are. We're the best and most decent country in the world is their assumption. None of that could possibly happen in Canada!

The media portrayed the truckers as, well, you know, right-wing criminals. They managed to not report on the protests with any accuracy or fairness. The truckers were the enemies. One journalist for CTV news even doxxed some protestors and truckers. MacGregor was his name I believe.

Normie Canadians were now firmly propagandized and the road was open for the government to crush civil liberties as the normies cheered on.

Like this person, I engaged. But there was a breakthrough. After my explaining to him in three different ways WHY what was happening to the Coutts Four was unconscionable and a direct assault on our Bill of Rights, natural law and centuries of Western legal principles, it finally sank in.

I personalized - as opposed to dehumanizing - what was happening. I explained to him how would YOU like it if he were arrested and then denied bail and held without charges for over two years losing his business and family in the process. How is this remotely justifiable in an ostensibly free and open democracy? It's not.

IF they're guilty, then let DUE PROCESS work its thing and the system will determine the appropriate punishment. But the fact we're denying their basic rights is the issue here. We don't even deny bail to far more dangerous people who pose an obvious threat.

No one is talking about this outrageous situation in Canada. Not the mooching CBC, not the bootlicking bums at CTV, not lazy propagandists at Global, not the fake leftists at the Toronto Star, or even conservative or right-leaning outlets like the National Post or Ottawa Citizen. It's all coming from alt-media.

And they claim we have a 'free press' in Canada. GTFOH.

This is a story that should be leading ALL publications. I finally made the person understand this is something that affects ALL OF US regardless of political tribe. He admitted he found this strange and would like an explanation. Breakthrough! But there are still many totalitarians who cheer it all on. A recent example is what's happening to Jordan Peterson. Go read the comments and observe how many people say 'Good' not because Peterson is 'dangerous' but because they DISAGREE with him.

The West is in a very bad place. Including the U.S. With murmurs swirling that our governments are going to try and reboot COVID Fear 2.0, I expect things to get far worse. Why not? We consented before. That's enough for psychopaths to move forward. I don't know how many of these so-called normies have woken up. Hopefully enough so that they bolster our ranks to make a loud enough 'NO!'

We'll see.

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

Very insightfully and accurately analyzed! Sadly the person you describe learned nothing from your exchange and is a classic example of much of the brain-dead masses found world-wide; ideologies, totalitarians, psychopaths, etc. are not born overnight but start with the individual; when personal identity and sovereignty are weakened and lost, then humanity becomes vulnerable and easily manipulated to be formed into just another slave class; modern technology made this nefarious process a means to dumb down the masses in more ways than ever before; Marshall McLuhan warned us that this was coming and why it was necessary to maintain a critical and analytic mind to be able to understand what was happening to us; unfortunately for humankind there are far too many who are "woke" as opposed to being AWAKE!

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FedEm's avatar

> We consented before. That's enough for psychopaths to move forward.

I tried, god did I try my best to warn friends, family, acquaintances about the precedent being set from the beginning in Feb/March 2020. Deaf ears and vitriol in response.

"It's the New Normal, dummy."

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Canadasceptic's avatar

Fellow awake Canadian here and you summed it up perfectly. Child molesters and murderers are let out on bail -- with community "warnings" upon their release -- while the C4 languish in remand centres. This country is disgraceful and I have no doubt the vast majority will comply again with whatever idiotic measures and mandates are imposed.

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FedEm's avatar

There is a quite disturbing inability among the Anointed Ones and the modern NPC masses to spot a trajectory, *even as they're experiencing that trajectory*.

I put it down to cowardice. A refusal to push back when walked back a mile, a hundred metres, or even a single step. An abandoning of lines in the sand.

I've tried for 10+ years to shine a light on the road we're on, and it's *still* "you're overreacting!", "that's not happening!", "conspiracy theorist!" as we're twenty miles back from where we started. The normalisation process is terrifyingly powerful.

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Feral Finster's avatar

They spot the trajectory just fine, but as long as they still have the whip hand, they're fine with that.

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FedEm's avatar

There's absolutely a brand of them who are Messiah Complex psychopaths who would stop at no evil or atrocity in order to reign supreme, to try to realise their Utopia.

But I think most of the Anointed Ones in the Expert Class and Activist Class are largely useful idiots and halfwits.

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Chris Cook's avatar

Your crime is reminding Germany of a history it would much rather see forgotten. For that sir, you are guilty, and I congratulate you.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Excellent advice: keep talking to others. Many intuit that something is off, but are thrown by the fact that government an media are carrying on as if all was normal.

We are now in the "show me the man, I'll show you the crime" stage of the revolution. We need to hunker down and make it to the "revolution eats its own" phase. And pray that that phase is not 40 years down the line.

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

Would it not be helpful to ask readers who are able to reach some of their previously unreachable friends, neighbors, family members to share their success stories with us, if they can? Could we learn from these about what worked, what helped break through the fog and expose the truth?

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Kerry Sills's avatar

Excellent idea. To avoid getting that blank shutdown stare, I find if you manage to insert a small dollop, a small personal experience as part of the convo, hopefully they will ask a question about it, most likely not. Don’t belabour it let it percolate through. Keep on the normal conversational theme.

I actually have two wins this way, no more shots (injured) and the couple feel the govt is trying to keep us in a perpetual state of fear. Quite a reversal.

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

This is precisely the kind of information we will need to help us work with others who might be susceptible to learning the truth. More important, sharing the numbers of successful "conversions" is most helpful. Thanks.

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ERIKA LOPEZ's avatar

"Would it not be helpful to ask readers who are able to reach some of their previously unreachable friends, neighbors, family members to share their success stories with us, if they can? Could we learn from these about what worked, what helped break through the fog and expose the truth"

It is a long ongoing process of scattering seeds and bombs. You have to be in live performance mode.... you're being watched, not likely or NEEDING to befriend or be liked. Ain't gonna happen.

I get stage fright whenever I leave the apt but when I'm out, I'm fine. Like on stage. I never know what will happen or what I'll do now. Everytime i go out it's improv.

But I was raised Quaker as a kid and even though they'd lose it on me and I'd have to take long marathon beatings that might go on for days with breaks to recharge, my complicated folks taught me like how the freedom bus riders had to practice not hitting back. I got that down and only defend myself when I've been physically attacked, which I have been, up to a few years ago. But my mouth still gets me in trouble but ...so be it. It feels too good and I know my words tend to haunt folks for the rest of their lives. For better and for worse that's my gift, my triumph.

My revenge.

Because when someone loses it on you, their neuroses are naked to you.

And my words keep me free and full of energy so it's rarely worth it to shut up and behave. But I'm a girl and satire/comedy is different for us rare women. We really piss off people ...that's why folks snap and lose it on me and try to make me pay and suffer.

You've gotta be a little bent and sadomasochistic to court and play with this.

That's why I hope CJH Fucks that little ichabod crane with the right acid words so he stays fucked and haunted forever.

I'm catching hell but also befriending the right co-conspirators, like just an hr ago when it took me two hours to make it 2 blocks.

So that's what I can share.but even when being sadistic, you've gotta not hate em. Teach a lesson for fun but in a way you could come back from later. As in you're trapped with your nemesis in an elevator... be cool, shrug and tell they had it coming and you'd do it again.

Have fun stay cool don't count on an outcome and NEVER take it personally.

You'll lose your cool.

Thing is that'll make em crazier but that's also how I court allies who dig and get what I'm doing.

Followers and sheep are swayed by seeing others act certain ways in public. That's why CJH right as a thespian about us all telling OTHERS.

That's essentially what live theatre like little black box would help to do in the old days. "OH! That's what such a conversation could go like!"

Now we're cast out, theatre is live in real life where and whenever we are. Never waste a moment.

As a colored girl I give open time for folks to talk to me because it messes with the white supremacy crap because no one would EVER confuse me for a house nigger or uncle Tom or sambo.

When I first gave in and voted trump after i did sanders first, i warned folks up front at my gym so wed not waste pleasantries only to have them turn on me when it'll hurt, the white folks here in san fran babbled incoherntly and backed away, BUT all these young brothers surrounded me to tell me they secretly were conservatives but they caught hell for it and for a few days it took me a few hours of talking to them.

I hadn't any idea my little admission would open up secret worlds and deep conversations.

So pull the zip ties and see what happens. Don't take anything bad personally. Be cool and ma y will return, maybe years later, as happens with me.

It's all gonna take the time it takes.

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Gary Weglarz's avatar

A really excellent post C.J. - thanks. It is sometimes disorienting to experience the level of crazy out there among my friends and family - after years of "Russiagate" - years of "Trump Derangement Syndrome," years of the "Covid" nonsense, and now on to the "Ukraine war" propaganda. Since all of it has been shown to be complete nonsense - at least for those of us reading credible alternative media sources - I somehow I think unconsciously expect that others have reached similar conclusions regarding how we've all been gaslighted non-stop year, after year, after year.

In a recent phone call with my best friend of over 40 years I was carefully treading the minefield of rational discussion about the actual "real world" when out of the blue he immediately melted down into "can you imagine what will happen if that Trump is elected again?" "It will be the end of democracy in this country!" I seriously didn't know whether to laugh out loud or to weep. The truth of it is my friend is a well educated very kind and humane human being - but like many other people here in there U.S. - he is completely and totally detached from "reality" - in that way that characterizes the avid NPR listener & PBS watcher. My friend's "default position" of immediately accessing his DNC approved - Trump Derangement Syndrome anxiety - as soon as the conversation approached the actual "real world" so took me my surprise that I was basically speechless. I did manage to stifle my instinctive - "WTF!?" - knee jerk response and remain calm, but I guess my point is that we are facing a very difficult task indeed in attempting to reach people and in some way alter their thinking in the course of our intermittent relatively brief human interactions and exchanges - when they will immediately counter that exchange soon after with hours of MSM propaganda. I think C.J.'s recommendation that will focus on "where this is going" is certainly our best bet - because getting people to review and reassess all the lies they've credulously swallowed over the last few years isn't going to get us anywhere. : /

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FedEm's avatar

A standout feature of Covid hysteria is the lack of correlation between intelligence, education level, age, .... and how likely a person was to fall for any of it.

Mad Kev and his wife Big Helen from down the pub saw right through it from the start, but corporate C-suite Harvard grads fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Working class comedians raised the alarm years ago, while esteemed authors on propaganda like Noel Chomsky were all in on the tyranny.

Maybe it's a conformity and cowardice thing. We live in times of very strange bedmates being the norm.

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

The intelligentsia, academics, churches, etc. did not just fall for it but were complicit both openly and silently; there were rare exceptions and many of them paid a heavy price as they still do today, Jordan Peterson and Karen Kingston being two well known examples.

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William Bowles's avatar

Crisis of capital = Fascism. It's all in the historical record, plain for all to see (who care to look). We've been down this road before; 'first they came for CJ Hopkins then they'll come for you', to paraphrase. If we don't stand up for CJ it won't be long before they come knocking for us and don't forget, Kafka wrote 'The Trial' at precisely that pivotal point in the 20th century, it's why he wrote it in the first place! CJ, as much as I hate Paypal, I'll send you some dosh anyway.

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The Society of Problem Solvers's avatar

What is the road out of Totalitarianism?

It is making new systems that we the people control, plugging them into the current systems through representatives willing to decentralize their leadership into citizens assemblies or swarms, then using new and improved and decentralized and transparent versions of Human Swarm Intelligence to govern.

If you never heard of swarming we implore everyone to read this and consider the implications for all of humanity:

https://open.substack.com/pub/joshketry/p/human-swarm-intelligence-the-most?r=7oa9d&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

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FedEm's avatar

Citizens Assemblies are in practice just another quasi-institution that become infested with Wokies, activists and special interests. A legitimized vehicle for on-narrative totalitarianism.

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The Society of Problem Solvers's avatar

They are corruptible if they are not transparent and decentralized. Just like any system. You cannot classify them unless you classify how they are run. Every centralized system is a vehicle for totilitarianism. And every decentralized and transparent system is a system for freedom. You can have groupthink Citizen's Assemblies. Or you can SWARMS. But if you do not understand the difference, then we cannot even have the conversation. If you truly want to understand it more, may we suggets reading the book The Starfish and The Spider? Or start here: https://joshketry.substack.com/p/embrace-decentralized-systems-fear

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FedEm's avatar

I have experience in the real world not just theory, they either immediately or gradually turn into a vehicle for The Correct Narrative. Those who have the time or inclination for these things are largely activists, busybody wokies and paid actors.

Haven't read about swarms, will have a look.

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Deb Hawthorn's avatar

Wow, this is exciting! Thank you from me, too!

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Zarayna Pradyer's avatar

Thank you!

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nosey parker's avatar

I've never felt comfortable in Germany because it's so conformist. But I could say the same thing about the U.S. And, given cultural differences, in pretty much any country I've lived in, and I've lived in quite a few. Lived in. Not been a tourist in. I left the U.K. because of their racism which I found untenable. The flip side of their cheezy tea and crumpets supposed limp wristedness. Look how much suffering they have caused throughout the world. But people are fundamentally the same psychologically wherever you go. You are an American and have lived with censorship, especially SELF-censorship, all your life. Whether you knew it or not at the time, you grew up with propaganda and quasi fascism and learned how to live within that system. We all have shadows we lug around after ourselves. The dangerous people don't admit their shadows. You have to bring the light to bear on the dark to keep it from taking over the whole. There have been so many chances for Westerners to do this and they always fall on their chins. They never behave the way they should. The antidote to all this is to speak the truth in public. All that takes is opening your mouth and being an honest individual. People who are always "nice" are the most dangerous of all. They are controlled BY their shadows.

Art is a terrific weapon against fascism. I think this is an incredible opportunity for you as a writer, as an artist. All real art is subversive. Are there no artists in Germany? No agit prop theater groups? If the whole thing is pre-ordained, why spend all this money on a legal defense? Why not just use it as an opportunity for theater, which is what you do best anyway? If the consequences are so minor, I mean they do sound pretty minor compared to consequences artists in some countries face. I don't know anything about German prisons or the consequences of having a criminal record in Germany, but what an opportunity to shove the envelope out a bit. No?

Don't want to offend you. These are serious questions. And I'm not facing what you are facing (although in my day I've faced equally stressful consequences). In some places I have lived artists who question the powers that be end up dead. And not for satire but for poetry that the powers that be know they cannot understand or fight against. How do you fight against a metaphor? How do you imprison a metaphor? Not advocating you be a martyr. But all this aggravation for such a pathetic slap on the wrist as 3600 euros OR 60 days in jail? If they aren't going to listen anyway? It ends up being a much bigger fine for you and bullying fun for them at your (literal) expense. Is there no way to turn this into theater and some good research? Are there no attorneys in Germany who care about the issues enough to do it pro bono and the opportunity to argue in front of the Supreme Court about issues that ALL Germans have been grappling with for 80 years? That is what is most disturbing of all. Why should you have to PAY for that? Why not turn the legal system into a set?

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

Vert astutely stated! And your suggestion holds a lot of merit; It is all theater as much as the Inquisition was and those "judges" didn't listen either; unfortunately the puppet-masters control the theater, including what you might call metaphoric language; wasn't this how the Nazis took control of the German courts by controlling the justices and predetermining their decisions? It was much more than undermining the rule of law but totally ignoring justice and truth in the service of a totalitarian agenda when human beings were not only subservient to the state but totally expendable; "What is a country? A country is what it stands for, when standing for something is most difficult! This is what we stand for: truth, justice, and the value of a single human being."(Judgment at Nuremberg")

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nosey parker's avatar

Hm. Well, I don't know where you live but where I live (the US, unfortunately) "we" do not stand for truth, justice and the value of a single human being. Are you saying Germany does? I have never been particularly fascinated by Nazi Germany so can't speak to what happened under Hitler. I've been more focused on the present which in my childhood was the destruction and theft of Palestine and the attempted extermination of the Palestinian people. And the Afghanis. And the Iraqis. And the Syrians. And the Lebanese. Oh, and the Libyans. Shall I go on? We stand for truth, justice, and the value of a single human being, my eye.

However, this conversation does bring to mind some friends of my parents who thought it would be really fun to spend their retirement doing the sorts of political activism working for a living and raising kids didn't allow in their youth. So the (pretty spry) wife climbed over the fence of a nuclear reactor--not sure which one but probably Hanford--and was arrested, of course, and put in jail for six months. She had a GAS. She was WAY more politically effective IN jail than out. This couple were medical missionaries, by the way and they spent their entire adult lives helping others as much as possible. So in jail she emotionally supports the other inmates who come from much different worlds than she did. She teaches them about the law. Encourages improving academic skills so they can better advocate for themselves in the legal system. Explains about capitalism and this country's real history, environmental issues, social issues, cultural issues, etc. She spent six months empowering these female inmates so that when they got out they had real tools with which to change their own and others' lives. Her political influence was ginormous. And she spent the rest of her life--fortunately a long one--finding other ways to do the same thing on the outside. Her husband did the same thing.

My point is there are lots of ways to push back. I really do NOT like Germany and NOT because of Hitler. I do NOT like Germany because the people are too timid to fight back and they are too concerned with social approval. And quite a few of my Anglo-Saxon ancestors come from Germany. (Maybe that's why it rankles so much.)

Any parent knows the puppet masters do NOT control the theater. The kids do. The inmates do. I am not a historian but I think the way the Nazis took control was people were afraid for themselves and their families. And a lot of them were so traumatized by WWI that they weren't emotionally prepared to stand up for themselves. (And the US and Britain played a huge role in that, too.) A lot of people DID stand up for others, which the Holocaust Industry does not want you to realize, and they ended up in death camps. They died for their principles. Standing up. Speaking up. Defending others. Not just Jews. There were a lot of disabled people killed and Gypsies and political liberals.

I'll tell you when the turning point was in the Iranian Revolution of 1979. When the people came out night after night in demonstrations in the streets and their brothers, sons, nephews, neighbors, fathers, cousins, etc. who were pointing their guns at them could not withstand those roses they stuck in the barrels of their guns. THAT'S when the Revolution succeeded. The military grunts put down their guns and joined the demonstrations. Bye-bye, Shah. Bye-bye, American military. Surprisingly few people were killed in that Revolution. We don't talk about that because it doesn't fit our narrative of Muslims living in the fifth century. We're so progressive and enlightened, don't you know?

When you choose to believe puppet-masters control the theater, you are in effect giving up your personal power. Don't.

May I ask: WHAT rule of law? At risk of making those of you who possess penises groan, the law is a codification of the patriarchy. It values property over people. The laws that are followed benefit one class of people. The laws that benefit the property-less are rarely followed.

Maybe we should all go to jail with CJ. That would be a RIOT. See how long the German government wants to support all of us.

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

Well, nosey, you make some good points, and also distort what I was actually saying which was "truth, justice, etc." was nowhere to be found today in either Germany or the U.S. or anywhere else in the present world but still the ideal to be strived for; there was, indeed, a lot of fear among the population in pre-Nazi Germany, but that does not discount the fact that Hitler and his propaganda machine took full advantage of that fact to manipulate and control the people.

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nosey parker's avatar

Point taken. This response got lost in my queue.

As I understand it from the elders who talked to me about WWI (now LONG gone), it wasn't just fear. Inflation was absolutely nuts in Germany after WWI. A loaf of bread cost a whole wheelbarrow full of paper notes. And starvation was pretty much widespread. Malnutrition was across the board. It was unimaginably hard to get from day-to-day in Germany before Hitler came to power. I really don't know enough about this era. But fear and self-interest were not the only reason he was viewed with relief. The population was decimated and many of the soldiers who survived had extreme PTSD--really extreme--and were disabled by chemical weapons. Huge numbers of men were dead.

Moral of the story: Don't defeat your enemy too effectively or it'll come back to bite you in the butt. Hatred hurts everyone.

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